Valerie Jarrett, longtime personal adviser to the Obamas, said in an interview with NPR's Audie Cornish airing Tuesday that former Vice President Joe Biden — who is considering a run for president — "got it right over the weekend when he said it's important that men listen" in response to a recent allegation against him of inappropriate contact.
"I had the honor of working with Joe Biden every single day for eight years. And I have an enormous amount of respect for him," Jarrett said. "And I saw him be extraordinarily demonstrative to both men and women alike — and never did I take it as a sexual advance in any way."
Jarrett made the comments during a conversation about her new memoir Finding My Voice: My Journey to the West Wing and the Path Forward.
In addition to weighing in on the #MeToo movement, Jarrett discusses the legacy of the Obama administration amid today's politics — and also recounts meeting Michelle and Barack Obama and working as a single mother. She reflects on how her early childhood in Iran shaped her: Her parents moved there in 1954, before she was born, so her father could pursue a better job opportunity, and avoid the discrimination he had encountered in the U.S. There, she says, he "ceases becoming just a black physician ... he really became an American physician."
On living in Iran as a child
For me, spending my formative years in a very cosmopolitan hospital compound with physicians from all over the world, and children from all over the world, taught me so much in terms of my ability to walk in a room and communicate and find something in common with just about anybody. I played with children where we didn't even speak the same language — and that's part of how I learned to speak Farsi and French and English ... that's what my classmates and my childhood friends were doing.
And it also gave me a perspective on the United States. Sometimes those of us who've never left take the privileges that we have for granted here — and it's everything from clean water and food to civil liberties. And I also think it taught me that the United States may be the greatest country on Earth but it's not the only country on Earth — and we can learn a great deal outside of our shores.
So those early formative years were very important to me and in a sense my parents took me over the color line, because those first five years in Iran I didn't really have any experience of discrimination or racism or anything like that. And so coming back to United States was a bit of a culture shock for me....
I think part of what struck me the first time I met President Obama and we had dinner, he started asking me, 'Well where are you from?' I said Chicago. 'Where were you born?' I was born in Shiraz. And I braced myself for kind of a big old conversation and he said 'Well, that's interesting.' And he leaned in and he started to tell me about his life in Indonesia and what he learned from that experience. And then I opened up more about Iran. And I think the lesson I learned in that is that our stories are important. They reflect who we are. And I spent so much time trying to pretend like I was like everyone else, when where I was different is my uniqueness.
I think the culture of our country has changed and politics is a piece of that. But, more importantly, and I think we have an enormous debt of gratitude to the brave women in the #MeToo moment who came forward with their voices. And there is safety in numbers. And I think what men are recognizing is, it isn't just a matter of what their intent was. It's a matter of how was it perceived by the person. And if people feel that behavior is inappropriate, that is important to hear. And that the way our society and our culture will change is if we are listening to one another better — and if we are recognizing the impact of our actions on others. And so, I was heartened to see [former Vice President Biden] acknowledge that over the weekend and say we have to begin listening. And I agree. Time is up.
On Nevada Democrat Lucy Flores' accusations against Biden — and whether the alleged behavior should disqualify him from running for president
The great part about our democracy is every voter gets to decide that for themselves. She gets to decide. I get to decide. You get to decide. We all get to look at the facts and see them through the lens that is valuable to us and then make decisions accordingly. And all of the candidates who are running run on the record and they run on their vision for their country.
And one of the things that President Obama used to say, I remember in the early days of Iowa, is that "Look, you have to earn it." You have to be willing to let people come in and see you, your faults, your weaknesses, your strengths, your vision, your track record, and then they get to make the decision — and we have to put our trust and confidence in them. And the piece that I'm interested in, right now, which I want to return to is making sure that every American appreciates the importance of that voice and votes. And that's the minimum responsibility of our democracy is to vote. Then, how about get involved in your community? How about figure out how you can give back? How about considering public service? There's so many ways that we could all make our country stronger and make our country better. And exciting that passion particularly in our young people is something I care a lot about.
On being the target of a racist tweet by Roseanne Barr
Well, I said at the time that, look, I am fine. I'm not worried about Valerie Jarrett. I think that that was symptomatic of a much bigger problem. And I'm worried about the people who aren't able to defend themselves. And the question is, when are we going to get to the point in our country ... where we're not talking at each other, we're not seeing each other through historic lenses of racism or discrimination, but we're taking the chance to actually listen and get to know one another, to put ourselves in the shoes of the stranger, to feel a sense of empathy and responsibility? That's where the racial healing comes from.
On the narrative that White House advisers have more influence than they should
I think I came into the White House enjoying a very close relationship with both of the Obamas and that probably made some people uncomfortable. I think there had never been a woman or an African-American in that role before. And I think it took a while for people to appreciate that what was most important to me was to be a part of the team....
I think that's historically quite true and I think what President Obama did was to demonstrate through his actions that he was as interested in what the most junior staff person in the room had to say, who had a good idea, as he was in anything I had to say.
And he had a management style that was devoted to bringing out what everyone thought, knowing he would make the most informed decisions if he listened to people who had different perspectives. If someone disagreed with him they got the full Obama body language, leaning in and saying "tell me why." And making them feel comfortable and giving permission and one of the management strategies that I learned early in my career that I certainly saw him put into place in the White House is that to get the best out of people, people can't think that the deck is stacked and that one person has greater weight than someone else. And I think he made it very clear early on, and it helped my relationship, frankly, for him to show that he cared what all of us had to say and that merit was his interest, not a pre-existing relationship.
On the challenges of being a young mom and charting a career as a woman of color
I simply went into [the White House] job as I have all my jobs since I was a young working mom from the perspective of what would have been helpful to me. When I was a young single mom, I thought, well, if I just worked harder, if I were smarter, if I were better organized, more efficient, slept fewer hours, maybe it wouldn't be so hard. And, I think, what I began to appreciate was — no, it's just hard.
And so I tried to mentor the women in the White House and some of the men, as well, from the perspective of knowing what they were going through, as people considered having children. It was important to us, and starting with the Obamas, that we had paid maternity and paternity leave, equal, three months...to set the tone that we recognize the fact that, even in one of the most challenging places in the world, you are a whole person, you have children, you have spouses, you have senior-citizen parents who need to be taken care of...
We're the only developed country in the world that doesn't have a paid leave policy. That's outrageous if we want to compete globally for talent. Sick days. Workplace flexibility. I remember when I was a young working mom, if I didn't show up at my daughter's Halloween parade nobody would show up [for her]. And so giving people the ability to adjust their work schedule to those needs is important. Affordable childcare is also a very important factor. And we held summits to focus on the policies and the practices that allow working families to thrive. And it's some of the proudest work that I worked on while we were in the White House.
On what it's like to see signature items of the Obama legacy get rolled back
Well, I think about it from the perspective of the lives of the American people who will be affected by those changes. ... I am hopeful that the American people speak up the way they did when two years ago there was an effort by the Republicans to repeal the Affordable Care Act and their voices were heard and it was not repealed.
Right now the Republicans in Congress are saying why are we talking about the Affordable Care Act again. You could say, in part, why they lost the midterm elections is that they were threatening to take away this very valuable benefit from the American people. But the point I'm making to you is: I don't look at it from the perspective of our work being undone. ... I look at it from the perspective of what impact that is going have on the people who were benefiting from those programs.
On advice for 2020 presidential candidates
I think what President Obama did, which I encourage all the candidates to do, is to take a view of our country that's inclusive — where you reach out to everyone, where you are honest, and open, and authentic with everyone — and that you appeal to what's good in each other and focus on what we have in common, and not polarize our differences. I think that still resonates with people across the country.
And I spend a lot of time now outside of Washington in communities all over this great land and I see the ability of ordinary people to still do extraordinary things — and that they are counting on their elected representatives to appeal to them and focus on their lives. Politics should not be about the politician. Politics should be about service. And people recognize and they can see through, in many instances, where people are not authentic.
AUDIE CORNISH, HOST:
Valerie Jarrett, the longtime adviser to President Obama - she knows a thing or two about what makes for a winning candidate. So when I sat down with her to talk about her new memoir, I wanted to look toward this next election. I started off by asking her about a 2020 story that's been in the news a lot these last few days - accusations of inappropriate contact by former Vice President Joe Biden.
VALERIE JARRETT: I had the honor of working with Joe Biden every single day for eight years, and I have an enormous amount of respect for him. And I saw him be extraordinarily demonstrative to both men and women alike, and never did I take it as a sexual advance in any way. But I think he got it right over the weekend when he said it's important that men listen. And...
CORNISH: But have the politics changed so much for the party? I mean, Al Franken is not in office right now, right...
JARRETT: I think...
CORNISH: ...Because of how the party now views this issue of inappropriateness and misconduct.
JARRETT: I think the culture of our country has changed, and politics is a piece of that. But more importantly - and I think we have enormous debt of gratitude to the brave women in the #MeToo moment who came forward with their voices. And there is safety in numbers. And I think what men are recognizing is it isn't just a matter of what their intent was. It's a matter of, how was it perceived by the person, and that the way our society and our culture will change is if we are listening to one another better and if we are recognizing the impact of our actions on others. And so I was heartened to see the vice president acknowledge that over the weekend and say, we have to begin listening. And I agree. Time is up.
CORNISH: The problem is, I think, for Democrats that the voters could then turn to you and say, we think this behavior is disqualifying.
JARRETT: The great part about our democracy is every voter gets to decide that for themselves. We all get to look at the facts and see them through the lens that is valuable to us and then make decisions accordingly. One of the things that President Obama used to say - I remember in the early days of Iowa - is that, look; you have to earn it. You have to be willing to let people come in and see you, your faults, your weaknesses, your strengths, your vision, your track record. And then they get to make the decision, and we have to put our trust and confidence in them. And the piece that I'm interested in right now is making sure that every American appreciates the important of that voice and votes.
CORNISH: What's your advice for these 2020 candidates, especially who - they're essentially looking to capture the coalition of voters that Barack Obama and your campaign with him was able to do, right? And now there is a question about whether the party can really do that, or do they have to choose, right? They're mired in this question about identity politics versus the white working class vote or more progressive politics versus a kind of centrism. He seemed to straddle a lot of these ideas. What can...
JARRETT: I think...
CORNISH: Is that possible now?
JARRETT: Yes, and I think what President Obama did, which I encourage all the candidates to do, is to take a view of our country that's inclusive, where you reach out to everyone. Politics should not be about the politician. Politics should be about service. And people recognize - I think they can see through, in many instances, where people are not authentic.
CORNISH: But wasn't he kind of...
JARRETT: And they crave authenticity.
CORNISH: ...The ultimate cult of personality candidate? I mean, Barack Obama was a - almost a concept - right? - an idea in - that was - that people thought symbolized many things.
JARRETT: And I think that there's still opportunities in the future to do that broad reach, to connect with people the way he was able to do. And I think we're very early in the primary season. I think that Democrats have an embarrassment of riches. We have lots of great candidates who are on the field. I've met with several of the candidates and given them my counsel. And the one thing I've said to all of them that I would say publicly is that - keep your eye on the long view, and that is the general election. And don't so beat up each other in the primary. If we focus on - you know, stating our affirmative case, I think the candidates are at their strongest, and certainly, I would say this about Barack Obama. He spent most of his time talking about what his vision was, what he would bring to the country, how he would improve the lives of the American people. And I think that there is still room in the hearts of the American people for that candidate.
CORNISH: Valerie Jarrett weighing in on the 2020 landscape. She shares more of her life story elsewhere in the show. Transcript provided by NPR, Copyright NPR.